Talk:Twin Sword Lann Guide

Where's the info on Will power and crit rate / damage? I've only found http://www.xvindictus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139507, which pointed to a dead link. D:  Also, if 100 Willpower is 1.6% crit rate, then Rank A Willpower Mastery's 163 will should only give 2.608%, not 4.2%. Am I missing something here??? LeonPegasus 21:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm also interested in your source for this. --Nuclearman 23:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I third this motion xD --Veltan 01:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not understanding your reasoning for upgrading from the Heavier Red Tyrant set to the Spider Lord set. The point you were driving at for most of the guide was to increase Will for maximum critical potential for Gliding Fury purposes. The Spider Lord set is completely devoid of any Will bonus so why bother switching to it? --Memegasm 05:25, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Great Guide Can you add one like this for Staff Evie?
Once again great guide, would it be possible to a guide like this for staff Evie?

RE: Staff Evie
I have just added a Scythe Evie guide into the wiki. I will not be working on a staff Evie guide simply because staff Evie is getting a complete overhaul. This means that all the staff skills and mechanics are being reworked. This was officially announce at the beginning of January on the official Nexon Korean site. She will no longer use gems to cast spells, have higher damage, and even have some skill re-balances, so it would be unnecessary to post a guide that wouldn't be accurate or valid soon. Once the new staff Evie is implemented into the game I will gladly make a guide for everyone on here. = )

TY
Awesome, Thanks!

Update for Episode 5?
Is there going to be an update for episode 5? The guide was (and still is) very nice and comprehensive, I look forward to it's update to accomodate Vindictus's update to Ep 5.

Mistakes in the guide.
This is Randomly, the guy who put the "corrections" into the guide not too long ago. Sorry, I didn't notice the "Contact me before editing" part of the thread. XD I just feel that those parts of the thread were EXTREMELY faulty and inaccurate. If you look at the damage formulas, you'll find that everything I said is perfectly true.

You may want to read my corrections more clearly, and test them out for yourself as well, ESPECIALLY the part about Thousand Needles having max damage at 1 poke (which, as any Lann past level 30 knows, is false), the part about Life Flare being a more expensive and less effective version of Standing Endurance (which anyone who has used the skillbook knows is false; they are COMPLETELY different skills), and the parts about all the smashes that I would have corrected as well if I hadn't been stopped by that "talk" function, which stopped me from proceeding with the edit.

Here are some other corrections that I would appreciate:

-Cloth armor-users deserve respect, not bitch slaps. If they can control a character so well that they never get hit at all, then cloth armor can be used because of its sheer ability to show off skills.

-Gut Stinger should have crit potential changed to "medium", since it has a wide range, and can hit many monsters beside you and even behind you. It can have a high critical rate if you're surrounded.

-Bear Blower has the same critical rate as any other Smash attack. Maybe you're just lucky, but realistically, it's no better than Gut Stinger in terms of criticals.

-Twin Edge 450 hits 2 times, not 3.

-Thousand Needles has an absolute maximum of 2 hits that can crit, not 12. And, as I already mentioned, you still need 5 pokes for max damage. The "1 poke=max" is just a rumour, and was proven wrong ever since the level cap got raised to 36 a long time ago.

-All smashes can break off items if aimed correctly, not just Double Crescent. I've broken off items with Bear Blower, Gliding Fury, Lightning Fury and even Windmill before.

-Sprint Smash has its uses, but it lacks most of the sideways range that Gut Stinger offers, so its critical ability isn't as great unless you're attacking very small monsters, like spiders. That's where its long forward range comes in handy.

It'd be great if you took those into consideration. And sorry for editing without permission, and the wall of text I just made here. XD By the way, could you tell me how to use the "talk" function? I didn't figure it out yet XD

Please fix this contradiction
I don't know which is right because I am new to Lann, but these absolutely counter each other:

Combat Mastery

Most of the damage we do is smash damage

Smash Mastery

While we don't rely on smash damage as much as spear Lanns do,

Also, regarding cloth Lanns: saying they deserve respect for not dying is like saying they'd deserve respect if they never used an upgrade from starter gear. It's suboptimal. Just because they can dodge doesn't mean they're doing damage, they're just dragging down the group.

Reply: Most of the damage we do is smash, but we don't rely on smash as much as Spear Lanns. This statement may sound contradictory at first, but this just means that Smash Mastery isn't as important for Sword Lanns as it is for Spear Lanns. To put it in simpler terms, Spear Lanns use more smashes. Improving cloth armor is not the same as staying in begginer gear. some cloth armor sets give strength, but not as much as other types of armor.

Guide needs slight update. (6/2011)
First off, thanks for making the guide in the first place. It's actually well written, and has been very helpful to me.

Although with some of the recent updates, the guide has not been updated to reflect changes in combat. Specifically, I'm speaking of Gust Sting. User: Randomly pointed this out in his corrections section (as well as some other corrections that I feel should be implemented) but there hasn't been a change in either the "Attacks and Combos" or Skill sections.

That said, would the new gust sting skill be considered a "Necessity" or "Complementary" skill? In my experience I've found the range of the skilled gust sting really helps in overall combat, not to mention I've gotten some very good crits using it. There are times I come out of a gliding fury that doesn't crit. but I still right-click (out of anger) to mistakenly do gust sting. Tuns out the gust sting crits and gives me another ticket to Fury Land.

Is it OK if I make some updates to your guide?
It's a little out of date, is it OK if I make some changes?

EU updates!
Someone who knows the differences between the EU and US version should add a few notes.

When to rank
"When to rank: After Slip Dash " <--(example) Does it mean to max Slip Dash then max Thousand Needles or just get a rank in Slip Dash then a rank in Thousand Needles and continue that way?
 * I believe the author's intention was for the former - max Slip Dash first before spending points in Thousand Needles. Basdeth 15:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)