Talk:List of Available Titles

Ok leaving it as is for now, there needs to be more formatting and layout fixes but it is in a usable format I sorted about half the titles. I think we need 1 more category, and I am debating how to clean up the TOC/Menus to look a bit less ugly. It is close to highly usable though.

--Danxor 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I am going to give this page an overhaul. I think that the titles should be separated into different categories instead of having the category being listed as a column.

Because there are titles specific to classes, locations, and item sets. It would make more since to somebody navigating to this page to have the ability to jump to a specific category from a table of contents then have the titles sorted logically in that section.

Going through the changes it won't look perfect at the start but should be easier to navigate by the end.

--Danxor 19 September 2010 (UTC)

How this is organized:


 * No links in the description
 * Links where possible in obtain
 * Obtain should be as short as possible
 * Use story names when possible

--Lios 04:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

There are a few titles that need updating with storyline links. I'm not too sure which ones, but update as you see fit.

"Spiders" can't be a link since, for example, getting the skill spider bomber requires you to kill 10 spiders, which is not only one specific monster, it can be any type of spider --

--Nedigo 01:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey can someone add in the event only titles, like early bird, first player, and swag owner?

--Cma 10:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I just registered on this website and noticed a few errors in the chart here so I made some minor changes to the titles, removed one that was duplicated (there were two entries for Splat) and fixed a category. I also added seven titles that I didn't see in the list. Here's the details. Edits: 'Elegant Punisher' Title - Changed category from 'Combat' to 'Fiona Skill' 'Indomitable Item Fighter' - Changed title to 'Indomitable Fighter' 'Novice Wisp Piercer', 'Novice Vampire Piercer' - Changed order so that they fell in alphabetical order (Vampire Piercer comes before Wisp Piercer) 'The Fresh New Recruit' - Changed title to 'The Fresh Recruit' 'Splat!' - Removed the duplicate 'Splat' title (There were two entries of the same title) Added New Titles: 'First Player' 'Friend of Caera' 'Hand Bone Collector' 'Interceptor' 'Obsessed Neck Grabber' 'Swag Owner' 'Truth Seeker'

--SoDevious 8:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Couple of titles missing which needs to be put in. Party Reviver titles(3) Psychotic Neck Grabber(A secret title that requires 1k es smashes) Counter Attack title(The Dungeon) Stealthy Attacker The 3690(Not sure if this is true or not) (Done)Steel Blade Breaker (Done) Princely Blade Breaker (Done)Prince Piercer The blank title you get from completing a quest

--MangoJello 4:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard or seen the title Psychotic Neck Grabber. How many grab-smash kills does it take to accomplish?

Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to place what titles you can receive from each dungeon on the dungeon's own wiki-page? For example, on Decisive Battle, list the titles possible to obtain by defeating the Gnoll Chieftan under specific conditions (e.g. All Hail the Chief by 50 season of macha, Decisively Easy by clearing the dungeon 100 times, Knocked Down the Chieftan by killing with objects 50 times, etc.)

--shakespeare 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that it would be very convenient to add a "Current Title Count" on the so that users can figure out how many titles they have not discovered or acquired yet. I am not familiar with editing wikis yet, so I am hoping that someone will add this in.

--capnpenguin 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I think adding the dashes between the stats each title adds is confusing and ugly. Perhaps commas should be used. Or some other method. --Shakespeare 16:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be noted that Evie's Boss specific arrowing requires rank A Magic Arrow. I just don't know how to fit it in the box with the least number of words. --Aznhick 07:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Stats Display
There seems to be some contention on how to display stats. Hopefully the relevant parties see this and participate. Right now, hyphens separate the stats and Celadon is apparently not happy with this (nor am I). I'm thinking to move each individual stat to a template parameter like I did with Template:Equipment so we can style it once for every title instead of having editing wars over this. I'm thinking commas are more acceptable than hyphens. The current Template:Equipment doesn't have the commas, but I can add them in. Thoughts? I also agree with SoDevious that newlines are not the way to go either. The other option is to use extra whitespace between each stat. This can be done with span + padding-right. Saiyr 05:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't mind how you guys do it, as long as you DON'T go with line breaks. You can put commas or spaces or hyphens or whatever, but just try to keep them on the same line. When you have each stat on a different line, it makes the list longer, it looks messier and for people who aren't familiar with the titles list, it's hard to tell when one titles stats end and the others begin. --SoDevious November 10, 2010


 * I would argue that the clutter from hyphens makes it less readable. I would also argue that linebreaks are among the best ways to deal with this clutter. Single line STAT+X will never be readable regardless of delimiter. As such, my vote for now is to go with line breaks until a more permanent solution can be found. Dividing up the results by stat would add considerable clutter, unfortunately and may make the list less readable than even the current hyphenated form. It also may just be a matter of experimentation to figure out what gives the best presentation of the information. Of course, while we're at it, we might think about ways to reorganize it so that consecutive titles can be aligned: if you want to find the Neck Grabber titles, there's no effective sort method; you have to ctrl-f it. Just a thought, anyway. --Gamemako 16:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you elaborate on why you think single line with delimiters will never be readable? I don't buy into that argument. The game obviously displays stats in one line. Using linebreaks makes an already-long page even longer, which we don't need. I agree about consecutive titles, but I don't know what the best way to go about that is. I think any sort-by-grouping will automatically make the secondary sort worthless. Plus, there's no way to get back to the grouping sort if you sort by another column, unless a new column is added for "title series" or something like that. Saiyr 17:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * This entire gigantic list of titles, while useful in many small cases has an extremely lackluster and non-user friendly display. Saiyr knows I'm working on something to eventually replace this with. As there's more and more content added to the game, this list is going to become even longer and even less useful aside from going onto the page and having to ctrl+f because it's impractical. The dashes look terrible and while line breaks make it longer and messier, that's only because the list is already extremely long and messy. ON ANOTHER NOTE, what has been used as the standard for separating a *Combat* title from a *Skill* title because it doesn't seem to be consistent the way it is. Mairu 10:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * What do you mean a *Combat* title from a *Skill* title? There IS no skill category. There's class specific categories, to help people understand what titles are unavailable to them. For a long time I thought Lann's could get the title Strong Supporter. And a Combat title is one that requires you to do... well... a certain combat? Kicking titles, Small Bombs, Spears, Object titles? Without the use of a skill? And that's how a wiki is supposed to be. It's basically just information displayed in a boring manner because that's how you keep it organized. I've never seen a page on wikipedia that was flashy and appealing to the user with shiny pictures and glitter all over the place. Now if you could make a script or a program that could act as a checklist then that would be awesome. SoDevious November 12, 2010


 * I have to agree with Mairu, that the list, as it is now, is a mess. I would love to see different categories for the titles, making it much simpler, if you're trying to get them all. I'm currently title farming, and I can't really say this list has been a great deal of help. Hope to see the new design asap.Bucko 16:25, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * If anyone wants to see what's currently being done, check out User:Mairu/Titles. Not my work, obviously. While I also agree that categorizing could be beneficial, I still don't agree with using tabber. I would be quite happy with a TOC and normal wiki sections, because it is still ctrl-f'able, but categorized so that you have a starting point when searching for something. Saiyr 16:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Re:Combat vs Skill: This is what I'm referring to: Rescuer is a Combat title. Guardian Angel is a Combat title. Professional Arsonist is a combat title. Shouldn't these all be skill titles, considering they're obtained from using skills (even though these skills are in combat?). Dancing Swordsman is a Skill title, Furious Glider is a Combat title. What makes the former different from the latter to make it a skill vs a combat title? This is what I was referring to in regards to consistency. As far as flashy and shiny pictures, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about and why it was even brought up. A gigantic list with minor sortable headers is not sufficient for a page that currently has at least 170-190 titles and with each patch is going to get more and more. Since Saiyr linked to my in-progress title page, you can see where I'm going with something that is actually more usable and less bulky. Mairu 17:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

New Title Page ON THE WAY
The new title page is about 90% done. Please take a look at User:Mairu/Titles. Input needed to clarify a few things: Mairu 12:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC) How about a tab with all the titles for easy ctrl+f'ing? --Shakespeare 17:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Titles in multiple categories- What is your opinion on this? Currently they are not duplicated. EX: Class-specific story titles are only in the class-specific section and not the story title. NO MULTIPLE CATEGORIES.
 * Other category - Currently has nonspecific combat titles, misc titles, and event titles. Split this up into combat/misc/event or leave as other? ALSO, Supply Depot titles- Should these really be Event titles or their own type (Supply Depot)? RESOLVED BY ME
 * Above dispute with Combat titles vs Skill titles. I copied the titles from the existing title list and did not modify so if you look at the Class-specific sections you can see inconsistencies regarding something classified as a Skill vs a Combat title. If anyone can clearly define a skill title (which is usually a combat title as well) as opposed to a combat title, I'd appreciate it so these inconsistencies can be corrected. Read above if you're unsure of what I'm asking. RESOLVED BY ME.
 * Psychotic Neck Grabber - I have yet to see this title in game and the majority of people I talk to also cannot say the same. I don't doubt the possibility of it existing, but considering every other title structure is three titles per specific category, can anyone confirm that this title exists? A screenshot/video would be nice. Found the title on KR site, good enough for me :p
 * Don't like tabber? DON'T CARE. The gigantic list is terrible for use aside from comparing a total list to your own and shouldn't be on the main page. Categories are necessary and going to become even more necessary as more content is added. Tabber is a useful way to keep all the content on a page without it becoming too long. The gigantic list will be relocated to a page (Probably List_of_Current_Titles or something) and linked on the tabbed Title page.
 * Any other feedback is cool too :P
 * I'd rather have the entire title list be a separate page than another tab on the list, but I'll take it under consideration if enough people prefer it that way Mairu 21:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Total H8 on the Psychotic Neck Grabber. I added that and I use it as my current title on my Lann. Anyway, the tabber makes things harder to edit, for sure, but I guess it's the price we pay for readability. Might be time to remove the Type column, though; the type is specified in the tab. Additionally, I think your current set-up using Battles and Other is a bit confusing. I would argue in favor of a Combat tab with sub-tabs for General (Wisp Piercer, Ore Miner, etc) and individual areas (Vampire Piercer, Kobold Archer Nemesis, Gnoll Kicker, etc), leaving the Battles tab for specific battle achievements (Prince Piercer, etc). I believe that would be a more specific layout. Alternatively, shove the Other tab into the Battles tabs under a General sub-tab. As for Class Specific ones, they're class-specific quests, combat achievements, and everything else. They should not be duplicated in the more universal tab area. One final thing: a few titles need to be moved as well. For example, Perilous Ruins Explorer is a story title; you don't have to complete all missions in the area to get it. Gamemako 15:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's really that much more difficult to edit, it just involves navigating to the category type page instead of just editing /Titles. I think the Type column is still useful for categories which will have multiple types within it (class-specific, other) and it might look odd to take that column out of the table for other pages. I like consistency. Battles used to be renamed Dungeons so it might have been easier to understand that way but I'm not so sure that I'd like to split it up in the way you suggested. I'll move the Perilous Ruins Explorer & the Hoarfrost title to the story sections, but the mission completion text is from the title text in game, if there's a better way to state the obtain conditions I'm open as I just copied everything from the existing title page. It's possible there's a better label for the Other tab to keep the current set-up. It's not unchangeable, so I'll keep it under consideration. Mairu 21:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

GET READY FOR A SWITCHEROO! Mairu 07:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Implemented yet unobtainble
The Passionate One, while technically implemented, is still unobtainable. Is there anyway to show this? Are other titles in the list similar? Would be nice to know when using this as a resource. --Fluffy 22:05, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion, if you or someone can think of a way to show this on the table without making it look excessive (maybe an icon or something). Currently though I believe that's the only title that is implemented but unobtainable Mairu 22:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Tieve's Helper
I got it during the story "Keaghan's Visit". Instead of going straight to Gwynn with the Spider Gem, I went to Tieve and gave it to her. Then I went to Gwynn so she could get all condescending on me and bark at Marrec to get the gem. Anyways, I didn't edit it because I don't know what happens if you give the gem to Gwynn. An alternate title? No title?